Transcript: Dr. Henning Tiemeier on “Face the Nation,” July 3, 2022

The next is a transcript of an interview with Dr. Henning Tiemeier of Harvard College that aired Sunday, July 3, 2022, on “Face the Nation.” 

MARGARET BRENNAN: In keeping with the Gates Basis, the maternal mortality fee is increased right here than in every other developed nation, and the elimination of federal safety for abortion rights solely underscores that actuality and the dangers forward. Dr. Henning Tiemeier is the director of the Maternal Well being Job Drive at Harvard College, and he joins us now. Good morning to you, physician.

DR. HENNING TIEMEIER: Howdy, Margaret, and good morning.

MARGARET BRENNAN: Morning- I feel that is extremely essential, as a result of I need to put the problem of abortion itself apart for a second and discuss being pregnant in America, as these states rewrite these legal guidelines. So, how is it potential that within the richest nation on the earth, we now have the best maternal mortality fee, and the way will we cease it from getting worse?

DR. TIEMEIER: Properly, I’ve to say two issues to that. To start with, there appears to be a problem with the information; we predict it is increased than in different developed nations, so it’s increased. However, among the uptick we have seen not too long ago is partly on account of poor information assortment. So, that has been corrected, however it’s increased. So why is it increased? We predict that has to do with the overall well being of girls in America, so it’s a background threat. And, it’s partly on account of poverty to poor well being care throughout being pregnant, and importantly, poor care after being pregnant, after delivering.

MARGARET BRENNAN: It- the mortality fee amongst Black moms is thrice increased than white ladies. Why?

DR. TIEMEIER: That’s right, it’s a lot increased, it’s considerably increased. And it’s – you should perceive that there is about 700 ladies dying, throughout or after labor, or within the first month after delivering 700 per yr, and we all know that the majority of those deaths are preventable. And, they certainly happen in minorities extra usually, and particularly, in Black ladies. And why that’s, is actually one of many largest challenges of public well being. And, we see that as a high of the iceberg of poor well being in ladies and poor well being in Black ladies. And, there are a number of causes there appears to go from poverty to discrimination to poor look after this group of girls.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So in response to the CDC, practically 40% of all abortions carried out on this nation occurred amongst Black ladies. So in laying out what you probably did, I’d base the belief that you’re projecting that the demise fee for these moms may also climb?

DR. TIEMEIER: I do not assume we now have good projections in numbers in the intervening time, as a result of that can depend upon lots of the points, really, that you have touched on earlier than on the authorized points, on the entry to abortion in different states. However, we all know that abortion happens and other people of poverty and minorities far more usually. We all know that they’ve difficulties to entry abortion exterior the state, so we predict it can influence their bodily and psychological well being. What number of deaths? No person is aware of. It is rather laborious. It is going to- It is going to- it’s- I would not need to quantify that. I have never put a quantity. It depends upon so many different issues, um yeah. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, you understand we checked out Medicaid protection on this nation, it covers about 40% of all births within the nation, and the federal authorities’s attempting to get states to take extra money to increase maternal well being care. So it isn’t simply lower off at two months, but it surely goes for longer. So, ladies can get pelvic exams they usually can get different issues after they offer start. States like Mississippi aren’t doing that. What is the consequence if you do not have entry to well being care after two months?

DR. TIEMEIER: So, what you are declaring now is without doubt one of the massive points, and one of many issues that may very well be addressed shortly. There are quite a few states, Mississippi is one among them, however do not forget, Texas is one other one and that counts in massive numbers that haven’t expanded, as we are saying, Medicaid. They haven’t accepted the Reasonably priced Care Act provide to increase well being care to ladies within the first yr, and I’d really say it ought to go additional than that within the first yr after supply. Which means that you’ve got little or no proper and little or no protection. So, solely the very, very poor in these states are coated. However a giant variety of poor ladies have comparatively poor low-income ladies. Girls that battle to make the time and the cash to be insured will not be coated for issues like psychological well being, bodily checkups, even so, they won’t have the pelvic examinations which are wanted. You are proper.

MARGARET BRENNAN: So America appears to be like quite a bit completely different now than it did in 1973. Brookings says about 40% of U.S. households have ladies because the prime breadwinner. So I need to ask you the way essential it’s, in your view, from a medical perspective, that ladies be capable to take restoration time after childbirth. Due to course, as you understand, on this nation, there isn’t a federal assure of paid household depart. So if these ladies should work to assist their household, their jobs in query, primarily, or not less than being paid for it.

DR. TIEMEIER: I feel that is such an essential challenge. It is in a manner under-recognized. I do know that the Vice President addressed a few of this, however it is vitally essential to see that we’d like many measures to enhance maternal well being. One in every of them could be to enhance the prenatal care and the opposite is certainly to enhance postnatal care, but additionally to assist households, and particularly, poor, deprived households, shopping for them time. So, giving them depart; paid depart is essential as a result of having a baby is a stress on the system. Think about you could have three youngsters, you could have a fourth one, then you definately want, you understand, you make a minimal, although you’ll not handle to- to make your ends meet, you’ll not discover the time to breastfeed. We see that breastfeeding is- shouldn’t be going up as we wished it might due to this. So I —


DR. TIEMEIER: –argue sure, and lots of of my colleagues that we’d like time. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And we’ll proceed to cowl your analysis. Thanks. We’ll cowl these points on this program as nicely. I’ve to depart it there although. So we’ll be again in a second.